MyDD :: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36%

New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36%

by americanincanada, Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:26:48 PM EST

"In a Democratic Primary in Kentucky today, 04/15/08, five weeks to the vote, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 62% to 26%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WHAS-TV Louisville and WCPO-TV Cincinnati. Compared to an identical SurveyUSA tracking poll released two weeks ago, Obama has lost ground among men and women, young and old, conservatives and moderates. In Western KY, Clinton had led by 30, now leads by 43. In Eastern KY, Clinton had led by 52, now leads by 63. in North Central KY, Clinton had led by 30, now leads by 39. In greater Louisville, Clinton had led by 12, now leads by 16."

SUSA has only been wrong once that I can remember in this primary cycle and their methodology is sound. This poll shows something very different than what the MSM would like you to believe.

Obama wins blacks by 4-1 but Clinton wins whites (90% of the vote) by 66-20. These are not numbers that superdelegates want to see in the final weeks of the primary season from their frontrunner.

These numbers and demographics, if they hold, do not bode well for Barack Obama in the long run for the nomination and even less so for the general.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=7970b4f8-b612-4f2e-8dde-3f865c 3d7ac5

Tags: Clinton, Obama, downward spiral, KY, SUSA, cling, bitter (all tags)

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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

That's a ridiculous, Obama-style caucus margin. I seriously doubt it will be like this. I say she wins by 20 or less.

Polls tighten as elections approach, people!

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by VAAlex on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:28:59 PM EST

he's toast (none / 0)

by internetstar on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:32:59 PM EST
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Re: he's toast (none / 0)

Right. Of the 10 contests to come, the most Clinton will win is 5.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:34:22 PM EST
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Re: he's toast (none / 0)

Try another guess

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by gunner on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:42:57 PM EST
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Re: he's toast (none / 0)

She will win at least 7.

by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:44:48 PM EST
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Re: he's toast (none / 0)

maybe, but she'll still trail by over 100 elected delegates, so what's the point?

by bawbie on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:47:34 PM EST
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Re: he's toast (none / 0)

Which ones?

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:49:05 PM EST
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Re: he's toast (none / 0)

In Kentucky, agreed. But Kentucky also has only 56 delegates and is not as populous a state as Ohio and Penn. for example. But good to see her ahead by that much this far out though.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:34:46 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Nobody cares about KY. Everyone expects Clinton to win big there.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:29:08 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Not that it doesn't count, because I wouldn't say THAT (unlike a certain candidate and her followers), but this one is far, far, far from the national radar screen.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:30:19 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

...and the people of our nation were at the edge of their chairs waiting for the final UT result! Your description of KY is similar to many of the states Obama won. I agree with you.

by oaktownchicken on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:50:28 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Um, it sounds like you ARE saying it doesn't count

by Thaddeus on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:21:40 PM EST
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Are you saying (2.00 / 1)

that KY does not matter ?

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by SevenStrings on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:30:43 PM EST
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Re: Are you saying (none / 0)

No - as I said just above your comment.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:33:01 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

and the margin of m to f is 48(m) and 52(f).

Women have been coming out closer to 42(m) and 58(f).

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:30:35 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Wow, this is huge.

by LindaSFNM on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:32:41 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Wouldn't read too much into it. I'm a Hillary supporter, but blowouts like that are highly unlikely...

No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...

by jarhead5536 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:41:41 PM EST
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Does Kentucky MATTER in the General (none / 0)

Nope. I really don't think that this will affect Obama's superdelegate sway.

Also, Obama hasn't even been campaigning in Kentucky.

by puma on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:36:56 PM EST

Re: Does Kentucky MATTER in the General (none / 0)

Go ahead and continue to put your head in the sand...I really don't care. But try not to be too bitter when the narrative changes after an 12-18% loss in PA.

by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:39:29 PM EST
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Re: Does Kentucky MATTER in the General (none / 0)

I don't think that any of know what will happen a week from today. I don't have a crystal ball.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:44:40 PM EST
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Re: Does Kentucky MATTER in the General (none / 0)

Why would the narrative change after Penn.? Obama 's own predictions predicted a loss for him in Penn., and he'll still be picking up delegates.

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

by venician on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:13:00 PM EST
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Re: Does Kentucky MATTER in the General (none / 0)

Yeah, he probably will treat it like AK and not go there.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:43:30 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

It's true with respect to KY, it's not a factor here.

A former hillary supporter.

by Cristalgirl on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:39:04 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

So now Kentucky and FL/MI don`t count.

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by gunner on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:45:03 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

The media won't think it counts, especially since Oregon is the same day, making the story A SPLIT.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:48:36 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

And NONE of the Caucus states count according to HRC

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by feliks on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:12:22 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Caucuses only counted when Bill was running for Prez. silly!

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

by venician on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:21:00 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (2.00 / 1)

He is finished in Kentucky. This will be a big win for Hillary and will do wonders for her momentum going into the convention. She is also looking very good in Indiana, up by 16% in yesterday's poll. I would say that Obama is in real trouble, one it comes to persuading superdelegates. All that math about pledged delegates isn't going to mean very much when it comes time to vote on who is more electable. He has made so many stupid mistakes and said so many ridiculous things, it is entirely overwhelming to think that any intelligent voter would think for one moment that this guy has any chance of winning a national election. He is not ready for "Prime Time"

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by steve468 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:43:49 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

This does nothing for momentum. Everyone expects her to win KY. And everyone expects him to win Oregon, which is on the same day.

The story will be that they split the contests.

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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:46:12 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Wow! Look at those goal post move!!! They are whipping around like crazy at this point.

by bawbie on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:49:02 PM EST
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Hyperbole much? (none / 0)

it is entirely overwhelming to think that any intelligent voter would think for one moment that this guy has any chance of winning a national election.

Now personally, I try to stop short of calling Clinton supporters mentally handicapped. Wouldn't want to overstate the case, you know.

by McNasty on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:53:14 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (2.00 / 1)

except that todays La Times poll has Obama LEADING by 5 in Indiana

http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/15/la-ti mesbloomberg-hint-at-obama-indiana-surge -solid-standing-in-pennsylvania-north-ca rolina/

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:10:22 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

That's what you guy's said about Ohion and Texas. And Obama has picked up more Supers then Clinton.

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

by venician on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:17:12 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (1.00 / 1)

Good God. 36%??? And Obama is the frontrunner?? How pathetic.

by karajan72 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:50:32 PM EST

Sweet! (2.00 / 1)

I hereby pledge to cast my vote for Hillary Clinton as President of Kentucky.

by McNasty on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:51:09 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Well, it's pretty much a given Clinton will win PA, KY and WV. My question is by what margin. I'm more concerned about her popular vote count than her delegate count. If she wins the popular vote and does not get the nomination, well, all I could say is... hell.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:52:10 PM EST

And if she loses (none / 0)

the popular vote? By your logic she should concede.

by newdealer on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:59:32 PM EST
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Re: And if she loses (none / 0)

If she does not win the popular vote, yes.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:23:46 AM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

the popular vote is a myth that doesn't exist.

It basically discounts all the caucus states and ignores differences between state processes

by CaptMorgan on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:21:46 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Most caucus states does have popular vote totals. Four states, Iowa, Nevada and two others have not reported popular vote totals. All you have to do is call the SoS office in the respective state to find out. So, you are wrong.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 01:25:12 AM EST
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She's expected to win. (none / 0)

Unfortunately for Clinton, she got out-boxed for most of the rounds, is behind in points, and doesn't have the power for a knockout.

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:59:03 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Wow. Clinton wins the stretch primarries as it looks like she might and it's going to be hard for even rabid Obama supporters to argue that she has no right to keep contesting the nomination.

by Thaddeus on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:20:45 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

Thaddeus, even if she wins EVERY remaining contest by 30 points she still wouldn't be able to catch up in pledged delegates. And she has managed to insult two of the most influental S.D.'s, Gore and Pelosi, so now please explain to me how she is going to win the nomination?????

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

by venician on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:25:31 PM EST
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Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

I hate to say it.. but there's no way any black canidate is winning KY or WV... probably not TN or OK either

by CaptMorgan on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:23:04 PM EST

Obama's wonderful "50 state strategy" (none / 0)

That characterization was already proven to be a lie by Obama's resistance to revotes in FL and MI, but now look at his supporters quickly point out how Kentucky doesn't matter.

Do you realize how many more Democrats will vote in KY than in the caucus states Obama won?

by steveinohio on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 05:36:46 PM EST

Re: New SUSA KY POLL, Clinton by 36% (none / 0)

moves goalposts

Obama must win Kentucky to have a chance at the nomination.

by Skaje on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 07:16:50 PM EST

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